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Now, I had made a very nice and long post tearing arguments up. Fortunately for you, I closed this by mistake. So I'll try to keep this short and to the point.
From the start, I wish to make it clear I have no issues with the moderation of the forums themselves, more the double standards that have taken over.
The forums rules state:
Now, its clear that double standards have been adopted, for moderators to be allowed to use things that are otherwise illegal to the wider community is adopting the same argument as: I enforce the rules therefore I don't have to abide by them. The second part of the rules that I have taken is that a moderator is a normal community member with permission to moderate a specific/set of forum(s). As such, for them to be treated as "any other player" surely rules have to be adhered to?
Now, having read the other thread, dodging through the minefield of spam and pointless posts, I have selected some posts which need clarifying and replying to:
As for the unsubstantial premium, as an ex-mod, I can assure you that the premium levels are healthy for a voluntary role. Ordinary forum posters do an equal role in the forums life, without them the forum's would be nothing - hence my argument for the removal of double standards.
Now, I haven't come here to argue, more to prove a point at the obnoxious attitude adapted by some. I have to say based on your views that you expect to receive awards I must question your reasons behind being a moderator?
Finally, I will leave you with this, in order to prove a point, I will be using an animated signature in the correct sizes. This is to remove the point of double standards. I want equality for all, one set of rules, up held and followed by all.
Please leave this thread open until the community manager has responded as I believe him to be the solo person able to define the rules and outline to the community the outline of this debate.
From the start, I wish to make it clear I have no issues with the moderation of the forums themselves, more the double standards that have taken over.
The forums rules state:
Now, its clear that double standards have been adopted, for moderators to be allowed to use things that are otherwise illegal to the wider community is adopting the same argument as: I enforce the rules therefore I don't have to abide by them. The second part of the rules that I have taken is that a moderator is a normal community member with permission to moderate a specific/set of forum(s). As such, for them to be treated as "any other player" surely rules have to be adhered to?
Now, having read the other thread, dodging through the minefield of spam and pointless posts, I have selected some posts which need clarifying and replying to:
If a forum member can't tell that a person isn't a moderator by their name being a bright colour then an image will hardly help. Being honest with you, without making it compulsory for all mods to use animated avatars I can't see it working if you do make this rule.Inga no Kusari said:
Actually, there is a lot wrong with what your saying. Animated avatars are such a small point, however, they are an example of double standards, something which is simply wrong to exist. As somebody who should be treated as a normal forum member, other than the necessary tools needed to moderate your specific forum's nothing else is necessary. Having an animated avatar is actually in violation of the forum's rules - going without punishment for breaking the rules that your enforce is the part people have an issue with.u6s5l said:
The reason your name is in red it so that you can be identified for being a moderator, that is necessary for your job to be done. I would also like to make a distinction between working and volunteering. Volunteering is working for no personal reward. Work you get paid for an are entitled to receive what your company offers. You are a volunteer hired by the CM, not InnoGames, you do not sign a contract nor are you paid, thus you are not entitled to receive any payment. Receiving a healthy amount of PP (and yes, I do know, I was a mod) is plenty for what is a voluntary role. As a normal member you applied to be a moderator knowing the reward would be PP - if you wanted something different for your work, why apply at all?u6s5l said:
The point being made is not that you have animated avatars, you seem to be looking at this in the wrong way. More it is of the double standards that occur. One rule for the community, another for the moderators - that is the fundamental issue that has arisen. As a volunteer, you a fortunate to receive PP, your analogy of the shop working is wrong as you are not employed. Its more like saying you volunteer at a charity shop and expect discount from their stuff - its just not right. You seem to expect that you should be above the ordinary forum go-ers.u6s5l said:
As volunteers, your entitled for nothing. I worked on these forums for longer than most here and numerous people will support me on this. I didn't do it for any personal gain or PP's - nor was I entitled to get them. I volunteered to help, just because I didn't get a title doesn't mean I'm less than you are. What annoys me is the moderators abusing the rules where it is clear that what they are doing is illegal as stated in the rules of the forum.u6s5l said:
Expressing that "life is unfair" just shows the strength of your argument - flimsy to say the least. Unfair isn't the issue, neither are animated images. As I have said before and will say again, the issue is double standards and apparent different sets of rules.u6s5l said:
A simple way to remove this unnecessary lag is to prevent the ability for anybody to do it. As often occurs, numerous moderators post in the same thread. On slower internet connections (e.g mobile phones) any animated images slow down the page load time. As they are not necessary for the moderators work to be carried out, why should a mod be entitled to this? Again, resolving to the double standards apparent in the forums.u6s5l said:
If they are not all as "fun" as you make out, why do you use them? They're not necessary and as you are the only ones allowed to use them its clearly your ego requiring glorification. You even agree it makes no difference to your moderation so why not abide by the rules and remove it? Again, as I have previously said, when you applied to be a mod, you knew of the rewards, using the argument that you "might" not use PP is pointless. I am one of the people that has spent the most time here (and many will support me on this). I did it for no reward other than to help a community I have been a long standing member of.u6s5l said:
So, based on your argument, I deserve a reward, any suggestions on what I am entitled to?u6s5l said:
No, I don't believe that moderators should have no perks, they do get a healthy amount of PP and volunteer to upkeep a community. However, they should be treated on the same level as the ordinary user and not have double standards existing.Googly said:
As for the unsubstantial premium, as an ex-mod, I can assure you that the premium levels are healthy for a voluntary role. Ordinary forum posters do an equal role in the forums life, without them the forum's would be nothing - hence my argument for the removal of double standards.
Now, I haven't come here to argue, more to prove a point at the obnoxious attitude adapted by some. I have to say based on your views that you expect to receive awards I must question your reasons behind being a moderator?
Finally, I will leave you with this, in order to prove a point, I will be using an animated signature in the correct sizes. This is to remove the point of double standards. I want equality for all, one set of rules, up held and followed by all.
Please leave this thread open until the community manager has responded as I believe him to be the solo person able to define the rules and outline to the community the outline of this debate.
