NL3 - NDH war declaration

[DeletedUser6362]

Update: APOC, No WAY, and Salt have joined the war with NDH. I assume No Salt will soon follow as part of the family.

The war is currently:
#1 v. #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, (#7)

35 players v. (hold on let me get a calculator...) 223 players.
620 villages v. 1503 vilalges
4.6M points v. 8.81M

Might finally be even, at least . And we don't have to fight over noble targets anymore...

 

[DeletedUser]

Cricket can we get an update here? WAR Stats please and thank you

 

[bidam veer]

Side 1:
Tribes: NDH, NDT, No Way, NoSalt, SALT, APOC
Side 2:
Tribes: NL², NL³


Timeframe: 03/01/2016 10:00:00 to 24/01/2016 07:34:20


Total conquers:


Side 1: 841
Side 2: 292
Difference: 549

Total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 79
Side 2: 61
Difference: 18

Points value of total conquers:


Side 1: 2,562,260
Side 2: 1,290,423
Difference: 1,271,837

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:


Side 1: 478,174
Side 2: 383,760
Difference: 94,414

a stat between ndh, noway+apoc and nl3 from 01.03.2016,10:00-the day when the war started- until now...i prefer not to comment about it)

 

[Dase]

Uh,6v2,good luck to both sides.Tbh,I'm disappointed by some nl3 members.But also in the stupidity of no way to join ndh.It's really funny to watch.Nl3 should really work more as a team rather than all for themselves.Cuz this is gonna be a long war.

 

[DeletedUser]

Uh,6v2,good luck to both sides.Tbh,I'm disappointed by some nl3 members.But also in the stupidity of no way to join ndh.It's really funny to watch.Nl3 should really work more as a team rather than all for themselves.Cuz this is gonna be a long war.

Disappointed? Where's the disappointment? Just curious.

 

[DeletedUser6362]

Because I know you external crazies love the politics of this game, I wish to give a somewhat brief summary of the what led to the point we are at today from NL3's side of things.

Event 1
NL3 declares war on NDH because they are the second best tribe in the world, and that's how we are doing things.

Event 2
NL3 discusses diplomacy with No Way. NL3 tells No Way leaders, Supernovas and GatorHawk, that they have no interest in diplomacy until No Way reduces their family from 4 to 1 tribe. NL3 proposes an arrangement, but it's not agreed to. NL3 tells No Way they will continue focusing on NDH.

Event 3
APOC contacts NL3 for diplomacy. I ignored the message.

Event 4
Two weeks after Event 2, NL3 sees that No Way has begun nobling barbs their rim. Reach out to No Way to see where they are at with their merger. They've reduced their family from 160 to 132. Does not appear any additional progress is being made.

Several No Way members were raving about NL3 plotting a war against them, planning to attack shortly. TBH, it was something I did not want to happen. My tribe was under strict orders not to attack No Way (including preventing members from attacking back after they were attacked). That sect of No Way were total goobers--as nothing in their logic made sense.

Event 5
A few days later, NL3 is made aware of a poll on No Way's forum with the options to NAP NL3, War NL3 with APOC + NDH, or to War NL3. Approx 70% of the members had voted for options 2-3. NL3 leadership confronts No Way leadership. No Way leadership ignores the messages. One day later, GatorHawk responds and says he needs time. I tell him that I'm unwilling to give it time and send a message to every member (all 132) of the No Way family explaining our intentions.

I make an offer to approximately five top No Way members to join our tribe. I give them 24 hours. They reject. Then I systematically go through the remaining No Way members recruiting them to our tribe. Goal: force No Way to declare rather continue to play hide-the-ball. 4 members are recruited. Enough to accomplish our goal.

No Way family declares war. One member jumps back to no way. The other 3 members stay. They were eaten.


Prediction: No Way and APOC, previously being ignored by NL3, provide an easy avenue for growth. They are nowhere near as skilled as NDH. NDH sees that they've cut themselves off from easy No Way villages and turns on them.

 

[bidam veer]

did nl3 help those 3 guys left from no way?you had time,but you did not care about them...they were eaten because nl3 wanted to buy some time for them in that area.variables,snailzarus,the hamar=carne de tun(in english cannon fodder).
In this game you do not need so many skills.only time and a good internet.you can learn everything about tw in 24 hours.then you need 1 month to learn to apply correcly what you learned.and you are one of the good players
My prediction:nl3 will lose this war and some of nl3 players,in order to continue playing here,will change side

 

[DeletedUser]

Well then bidam veer... Who do you think will jump ship? I'd appreciate an answer if you so strongly believe in your statement.

 

[bidam veer]

those who care more about their villages and who want to see their name written in hall of fame.probably,you wanted to read some names....but,i am sorry dissapointing you.i do not know nl3 players(actually until 3 months ago i knew only one player from us server who played constantly here.and he was romanian) but i know 2 things:most of wars end with some recruits from the losing side and there's always at least one person in a tribe that cares more about his villages.not really the answer you were expecting?)
PS:i appreciate if you introduce yourself...ZeZe doesn't exist in w22.but i am thinking you are playing on airforcebomber...

 

[Dase]

Disappointed? Where's the disappointment? Just curious.

The fact that some of the top players lack in proffessionalism.Dunno how they got in top accounts to be honest.
Also,most of them are greedy af.For example your co or ex co on afb and there are others as well.
Before trying to win the war,like I said,you should care about the tribe not for yourself.I am not reffering to you,you are one of the guys that even if I never spoke to directly,I stil have respect for you,kinda kept an eye on everyone here,tryed to get involved in more things but rly it wasn't worth,I should've just quit w22 and stop any interaction with w22 players,it was a waste of time.I must say nl3 and ndh are a lot alike,except for the leadership,which is better in nl3 but brock sure has some work to do on getting his guys on the "right path".


And regarding the ship jumping,I believe nl3 had a big chance at having some new players come from both no way and ndh,not sure if this will happen anymore,and honestly I wish it won't happen.both ndh and nl3 would be worthy of winning the war,though ndh played dirty and tried to get nl3 against no way and no way was stupid enough to trust ndh after it.

But I got my hopes up for no way,the only player left on this world that didn't disappoint me in terms of fair play,team play and skills is bidam veer,so thumbs up for his team hehe.

 

[DeletedUser6362]

did nl3 help those 3 guys left from no way?you had time,but you did not care about them...they were eaten because nl3 wanted to buy some time for them in that area.variables,snailzarus,the hamar=carne de tun(in english cannon fodder).

There wasn't much we could do. It would have been different for those 3 if the other players that were coming didn't get scared (Crushadize, firehand *apoc*) and a couple other hopefuls. All 3 were informed that they would not be stacked.

Variables seemed like a decent player, actually. It's too bad he got the shaft. The other two, not so much. Two of them essentially gave the sit to our tribe as soon as you started launching and never came back. It was kind of funny, because my point was not to recruit good players from you, but to demonstrate that your family doesn't vet players and doesn't eat the bad ones. Snail, who seemed willing to learn, didn't yet understand that sending 1000 axe, 500 lc, and 50 rams 6 times was not as effective as 6000 axe, 3000 LC, and 300 rams. He only had troops in like 3 of his villages because he had been attacking like that against very small players on the rim and getting crushed. I expect you'll have many more like it in your family.

Anyhow, they ended up being canon fodder. Wasn't the initial intention, but it was a sacrifice we had to make after seeing their villages and skill level. Can't throw troops away on investments with negative returns when you're outnumbered 7:2.

 

[DeletedUser6362]

those who care more about their villages and who want to see their name written in hall of fame.probably,you wanted to read some names.... but i know 2 things:most of wars end with some recruits from the losing side and there's always at least one person in a tribe that cares more about his villages.

I hope I've recruited a tribe with more composure than that. Most of us have had our names etched into the "hall of fame" multiple times in the past. It's not as glorious as it sounds, and the PP rewards are jokes.

 

[DeletedUser6424]

Event 3
APOC contacts NL3 for diplomacy. I ignored the message.

Event 4
Two weeks after Event 2, NL3 sees that No Way has begun nobling barbs their rim. Reach out to No Way to see where they are at with their merger. They've reduced their family from 160 to 132. Does not appear any additional progress is being made.

Several No Way members were raving about NL3 plotting a war against them, planning to attack shortly. TBH, it was something I did not want to happen. My tribe was under strict orders not to attack No Way (including preventing members from attacking back after they were attacked). That sect of No Way were total goobers--as nothing in their logic made sense.

Event 5
A few days later, NL3 is made aware of a poll on No Way's forum with the options to NAP NL3, War NL3 with APOC + NDH, or to War NL3. Approx 70% of the members had voted for options 2-3. NL3 leadership confronts No Way leadership. No Way leadership ignores the messages. One day later, GatorHawk responds and says he needs time. I tell him that I'm unwilling to give it time and send a message to every member (all 132) of the No Way family explaining our intentions.

I make an offer to approximately five top No Way members to join our tribe. I give them 24 hours. They reject. Then I systematically go through the remaining No Way members recruiting them to our tribe. Goal: force No Way to declare rather continue to play hide-the-ball. 4 members are recruited. Enough to accomplish our goal.

No Way family declares war. One member jumps back to no way. The other 3 members stay. They were eaten.

Brockasmith you forgot to add the event where you spoke with APOC on 16.1.2016. Where you claim

Are there other options you would like to pursue with us, or is that the final option?

Just remember that a story has 3 sides. Your side, APOC side, and the truth.

 

[DeletedUser6362]

Brockasmith you forgot to add the event where you spoke with APOC on 16.1.2016. Where you claim
Just remember that a story has 3 sides. Your side, APOC side, and the truth.

I didn't leave it out in order to shape the story in my interest, I just considered it a minor detail that few would care about. For those that do care, Here is our conversation:

BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:07
How are you holding up against No Way, now?


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:12
Decent they didn't attack like we thought they would at first so they where sloppy and lost a lot nukes and nobles in first attempt they've been pretty quite attack wise sense so my guys haven't hit back more then fakes we are waiting to see what they do maybe they wanna talk now maybe they don't but we are sure their frontline is stacked for us so


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:16
I'd noticed there weren't many caps, but that they are nobling around the backside strategically


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:18
I have word that you intend to ally w/ [ally]No Way[/ally] and [ally]NDH[/ally] to attack us.


Is there truth to this?


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:19
Yea they are putting a half moon around us, we will see if they try to support it and if that leaves some villages further up less protected kill the bill troops will disappear, how's NDH? I heard it was a little back in forth on forums, but u guys have kinda started to pull away faster and faster to take lead


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:21
That's definitely a option


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:23
NDH had a good offensive against us this week and we had an internal issue. It set us back a little bit in the war. We are only + on caps, I think.


But, we are pretty much fully rebuilt for another offensive.


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:23
Are there other options you would like to pursue with us, or is that the final option?


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:25
Yea sounds abt right, if u guys take out NDH then it will be just abt eating vills and waiting for the 180 days to be up and on to the nxt world


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:26
Lol, I don't think it's quite as one-sided as you see it right now.


No Way + Apoc + NDH v. NL3 is like 7MM points v. 4MM points. Almost 2:1


Right now, it's 4MM points v. 3.5MM points...or like 1:.9


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:28
We tried mailing u guys weeks ago no reply, and I mean we help u and u help us then u give us a 48 hour window of warning before u would dissolve the NAP? I get fighting u guys is most likely a losing cause unfortunately u guys are actually big and good, if u where just big be a different story but, the fact ur good means we serve little purpose other then distracting a portion of [ALLY]no way[/ALLY]


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:29
Lol but u guys are good haha I'm not complimenting like an ass haha I'm aware u guys are actually good players which means u guys having 4million is like having 6million haha


BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:29
Lol, don't underestimate NDH. They are decent too. Better than I expected


Jack Storen Jan 16, 12:34
I saw the comment 10-12 decent players haha u guys are prolly in the 25 range deep in good players tho rest are good support or decent most tribes even when they win a world don't have more the 25 solid guys, so say we fought no way at the end where does that leave my tribe when u guys have takin out and everybody and have doubled in size? Lol I'm not saying I think we will win lol but I think we both no save all the top tribes having a melt down APOC at most my tribe will prolly take 3rd or second if it survives at most it may never go past 4th haha

Here is the Circ I sent the Tribe immediately after:

BrockASmith Jan 16, 12:41
Tribe,


[ally]No Way[/ally]

Spoiler: Spoiler

No Way is currently voting on their forum who should be their enemy. The vote ends in 2 days. Right now, the vote is pretty overwhelming that they are going to ally with NDH and fight us. We will be making plans, but be ready.

[ally]APOC[/ally]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Their leader confirmed to me today that they intend to declare war on us if No Way joins NDH in the war efforts. Essentially, if we win, there will be nothing left for them...and if we are being attacked by both, they don't want to miss out on what they assume are empty villages.


I intend to declare war against them tonight, so prepare yourselves.

And I did not declare that night because Dan Ex and Poisonous asked me to all them time to shift their D around.

 

[DeletedUser6424]

You say Dan wanted to move his troops around. However Dan ex, clean up, and maniek33 were already attacking us at the time. Why did not declare war then? Sounds like it would have been some easy war points.

 

[DeletedUser6362]

You say Dan wanted to move his troops around. However Dan ex, clean up, and maniek33 were already attacking us at the time. Why did not declare war then? Sounds like it would have been some easy war points.

Just as easy now as then=NBD.

I just did what they asked. I agree though, I wanted to declare for easy war points. They, as a group, weren't ready and they are on your front. I always ask permission before I toss a front into the fire.

 

[DeletedUser3141]

You know all this shows is that while battles are won by generals wars are won by diplomats.
Although looking at the map there is also a definite strategic element as well. It will be interesting to see how things develop later on, as usual no doubt it will depend on how many players are still around to care.

 

[bidam veer]

dase:i will have time to dissapoint you.wait for that)
brock:when you decided to recruit a player make sure that he can bring something extra in your tribe.and,remember that,a good player will never leaves is tribe unless something is wrong in that tribe:leadership,diplomacy etc..and how i said,i do not know any player from nl3.if i am wrong and they all will fight till their last spear,i will public apologize to nl3
until that day,i wish all the tribes best o luck and may the best side win

 

[DeletedUser6362]

dase:i will have time to dissapoint you.wait for that)
brock:when you decided to recruit a player make sure that he can bring something extra in your tribe.and,remember that,a good player will never leaves is tribe unless something is wrong in that tribe:leadership,diplomacy etc..and how i said,i do not know any player from nl3.if i am wrong and they all will fight till their last spear,i will public apologize to nl3
until that day,i wish all the tribes best o luck and may the best side win

You will see many spear nukes before it is over

 

[DeletedUser6424]

You know all this shows is that while battles are won by generals wars are won by diplomats.
Although looking at the map there is also a definite strategic element as well. It will be interesting to see how things develop later on, as usual no doubt it will depend on how many players are still around to care.

It will be cool to see how it all plays out. Did NL3 make a mistake by ignoring APOC at the start or was that the right choice? who knows only time will tell.