DeletedUser
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i have a cat nuke. i replace the rams with cats. doesnt effect nuke strength. i use it on villages that have already been hit with rams. works well as a church buster too, havent got to do that yet, but soon.
DeletedUser173
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The main reason 8500 axes is ineffective is because they DRAMATICALLY slow down your nukes' build times.
DeletedUser
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But make them DRAMATICALLY stronger too. ^^
DeletedUser173
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Actually, they weaken the nuke...
Don't worry, I don't expect someone like you to understand how the TW battle-system works
DeletedUser
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it depends sometimes ill have more LC and sometimes more MA but i dunno i just quite like having lots of axe
DeletedUser
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That is inefficient.
DeletedUser188
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Units
6236 Axemen
3200 Light cavalry
250 Rams
50 Catapults
6236 Axemen
3200 Light cavalry
250 Rams
50 Catapults
DeletedUser
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I just did some calcs, and this is the nuke build I'll be using for a bit
7113 axe
2700 lc
250 ma
250 rams
100 scouts (need for farming)
7113 axe
2700 lc
250 ma
250 rams
100 scouts (need for farming)
Nauzhror
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Certainly open for interpretation, but build I usually go with is:
100 scouts
6159 axes
3327 lc
213 rams
builds in 350:59:17
On an archer world I would change it to:
100 scouts
6191 axes
100 mounted archers
3194 lc
213 rams
builds in: 352:45:18
To compare to the build time of other nukes listed:
Smash's builds in: 405:07:21
MOLOCO's builds in 355:10:22
ukftw's builds in 484:07:10
Also more rams is often wise late-game, but 213 is the mathematical ideal number for hitting most villages (more can help on massively stacked villages).
100 scouts
6159 axes
3327 lc
213 rams
builds in 350:59:17
On an archer world I would change it to:
100 scouts
6191 axes
100 mounted archers
3194 lc
213 rams
builds in: 352:45:18
To compare to the build time of other nukes listed:
Smash's builds in: 405:07:21
MOLOCO's builds in 355:10:22
ukftw's builds in 484:07:10
Also more rams is often wise late-game, but 213 is the mathematical ideal number for hitting most villages (more can help on massively stacked villages).
DeletedUser
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Mine are as follows in an archer world (early-game), assuming there is simple techs:
6003 Axes
100 Scouts
3255 LC
300 Rams
Builds in: 342:28:55
It's also much more effective against villages in general. Compare to above:
In the first sim, almost the exact same number of troops are lost by the defender, and my nuke still lowered the wall 3 extra levels. In the second sim, around 100 extra troops were killed by Nauz's nuke, but the wall was lowered an extra wall by mine. Combine that with the 10 hour faster build time and the fact that if we continued the second sim 'til the village was cleared, a few more troops in my nukes would be saved on an overall scale (thereby saving more resources/build time), I think we can see that mine is a bit more effective. While Nauz's builds quick, 213 is only ideal for lowering a wall to 0 in an empty village, and doesn't work against stacks. It doesn't even have to be a massive stack, but bringing out a wall buster on a 10k/10k village is a waste if you can't get it done with regular nukes.
6003 Axes
100 Scouts
3255 LC
300 Rams
Builds in: 342:28:55
It's also much more effective against villages in general. Compare to above:
Attacker Units: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Losses: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 800.000 600.000 800.000 20.000
Losses: 6466 6466 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 517.280 387.960 517.280 12.932
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11
Attacker Units: 0 0 6191 0 100 3194 0 0 213 0 0 0 839.610 552.730 1.090.740 20.232
Losses: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 0 0 213 0 0 0 834.610 547.730 1.088.740 20.032
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 800.000 600.000 800.000 20.000
Losses: 6449 6449 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 515.920 386.940 515.920 12.898
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 14
Attacker Units: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Losses: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.800.000 900.000 1.400.000 30.000
Losses: 2920 2920 0 2920 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 525.600 262.800 408.800 8.760
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 16
Attacker Units: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 100 0 213 0 0 0 859.610 557.730 1.103.740 20.532
Losses: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 100 0 213 0 0 0 859.610 557.730 1.103.740 20.532
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.800.000 900.000 1.400.000 30.000
Losses: 3044 3044 0 3044 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 547.920 273.960 426.160 9.132
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 17
Losses: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 800.000 600.000 800.000 20.000
Losses: 6466 6466 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 517.280 387.960 517.280 12.932
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 11
Attacker Units: 0 0 6191 0 100 3194 0 0 213 0 0 0 839.610 552.730 1.090.740 20.232
Losses: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 0 0 213 0 0 0 834.610 547.730 1.088.740 20.032
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 800.000 600.000 800.000 20.000
Losses: 6449 6449 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 515.920 386.940 515.920 12.898
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 14
Attacker Units: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Losses: 0 0 6003 0 0 3255 0 0 300 0 0 0 857.055 565.590 1.113.870 20.523
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.800.000 900.000 1.400.000 30.000
Losses: 2920 2920 0 2920 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 525.600 262.800 408.800 8.760
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 16
Attacker Units: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 100 0 213 0 0 0 859.610 557.730 1.103.740 20.532
Losses: 0 0 6191 0 0 3194 100 0 213 0 0 0 859.610 557.730 1.103.740 20.532
Defender Units: 10000 10000 0 10000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.800.000 900.000 1.400.000 30.000
Losses: 3044 3044 0 3044 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 547.920 273.960 426.160 9.132
Damage by rams: The wall has been damaged and downgraded from level 20 to level 17
In the first sim, almost the exact same number of troops are lost by the defender, and my nuke still lowered the wall 3 extra levels. In the second sim, around 100 extra troops were killed by Nauz's nuke, but the wall was lowered an extra wall by mine. Combine that with the 10 hour faster build time and the fact that if we continued the second sim 'til the village was cleared, a few more troops in my nukes would be saved on an overall scale (thereby saving more resources/build time), I think we can see that mine is a bit more effective
. While Nauz's builds quick, 213 is only ideal for lowering a wall to 0 in an empty village, and doesn't work against stacks. It doesn't even have to be a massive stack, but bringing out a wall buster on a 10k/10k village is a waste if you can't get it done with regular nukes.DeletedUser
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Ill post my building levels too.
Well I did copy MOLOCOs Nuke, Thanks MOLOCO !
PS: This is with a noble train:
Village Headquarters:20
Barracks:25
Stable:20
Workshop:3
Academy:1
Smithy:20
Rally Point:1
Statue:1
Market:10
Timber Camp:30
Clay Pit:29
Iron Mine:30
Farm:30
Warehouse:30
Hiding Place: 0
Wall: 20
Axe:6236
LC:3200
Ram: 250
CAT:50
Nobles: 4
Well I did copy MOLOCOs Nuke, Thanks MOLOCO !
PS: This is with a noble train:
Village Headquarters:20
Barracks:25
Stable:20
Workshop:3
Academy:1
Smithy:20
Rally Point:1
Statue:1
Market:10
Timber Camp:30
Clay Pit:29
Iron Mine:30
Farm:30
Warehouse:30
Hiding Place: 0
Wall: 20
Axe:6236
LC:3200
Ram: 250
CAT:50
Nobles: 4
Nauzhror
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Those sims are skewed, you cleared a non-arch defense with my arch nuke instead of non-arch nuke.
vs. non-arch defense:
Yours:
Mine:
Your second nuke still has 4306 axes, 2439 lc, and 215 rams (15137 pop)
My second nuke has 4,550 axes, 2,556 lc, and 157 rams (15559 pop)
Now for the second defense you listed:
Yours:
My archer:
Your third nuke has: 3069 axes, 1965 lc, 153 rams (11694 pop)
My archer has: 3047 axes, 1878 lc, 78 ma, 105 rams (11474 pop)
You can argue that yours is more effective I suppose, but definitely not by much, and even to say it's more effective at all is debatable (yours is less effective vs. 10k/10k, but more effective vs. 10k/10k/10k, but mine saves more troops vs. the 10k/10k compared to yours than yours does compared to mine vs. the 10k/10k/10k).
Basically the determining factor is this:
Yours results in 422 less pop vs. 10k/10k and 220 pop more vs. 10k/10k/10k. As such if less than 2/3 of the nukes you hit are of the 10k/10k/10k variety mine is the better fit, but if more than 2/3 are of that variety then yours is the better fit.
We also use slightly different village builds, mine doesn't actually fit in your village I'm assuming since yours is less pop (not much less though, the difference is a measly 9 pop).
Village build I use is below:
Village Headquarters:20
Barracks:25
Stable:20
Workshop:2
Academy:1
Smithy:20
Rally Point:1
Market:20
Timber Camp:30
Clay Pit:30
Iron Mine:30
Farm:30
Warehouse:27
Hiding Place: 10
Wall: 20
9216 points
Things which vary:
Church villages have 6 HP instead of 10 (that's 14 points, the same amount as a level 3 church, it hides church villages): Still 9216 points
Package worlds: Level 2 academy instead of level 1 (level 3 actually in first few villages, but later demoed back to level 2): 9318 points
None-morale worlds: 30 warehouse 9716 points
non-morale and packages: 9818 points
vs. non-arch defense:
Yours:
Mine:
Your second nuke still has 4306 axes, 2439 lc, and 215 rams (15137 pop)
My second nuke has 4,550 axes, 2,556 lc, and 157 rams (15559 pop)
Now for the second defense you listed:
Yours:
My archer:
Your third nuke has: 3069 axes, 1965 lc, 153 rams (11694 pop)
My archer has: 3047 axes, 1878 lc, 78 ma, 105 rams (11474 pop)
You can argue that yours is more effective I suppose, but definitely not by much, and even to say it's more effective at all is debatable (yours is less effective vs. 10k/10k, but more effective vs. 10k/10k/10k, but mine saves more troops vs. the 10k/10k compared to yours than yours does compared to mine vs. the 10k/10k/10k).
Basically the determining factor is this:
Yours results in 422 less pop vs. 10k/10k and 220 pop more vs. 10k/10k/10k. As such if less than 2/3 of the nukes you hit are of the 10k/10k/10k variety mine is the better fit, but if more than 2/3 are of that variety then yours is the better fit.
We also use slightly different village builds, mine doesn't actually fit in your village I'm assuming since yours is less pop (not much less though, the difference is a measly 9 pop).
Village build I use is below:
Village Headquarters:20
Barracks:25
Stable:20
Workshop:2
Academy:1
Smithy:20
Rally Point:1
Market:20
Timber Camp:30
Clay Pit:30
Iron Mine:30
Farm:30
Warehouse:27
Hiding Place: 10
Wall: 20
9216 points
Things which vary:
Church villages have 6 HP instead of 10 (that's 14 points, the same amount as a level 3 church, it hides church villages): Still 9216 points
Package worlds: Level 2 academy instead of level 1 (level 3 actually in first few villages, but later demoed back to level 2): 9318 points
None-morale worlds: 30 warehouse 9716 points
non-morale and packages: 9818 points
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