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Maximuss vs Bonfire.


I think Maximuss will beat bonfire even without PP :))
I bonfire is more an "artos the bear" on steriods. Haven`t seen him do anything reliable. While maximus, still has some kind of experience.

ANd if there was 1 "elite member of us" that sync worse than Maximus, that is bonfire lol.
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I`d go with a more intresting one.

What about Dase vs Trump aka Incredible Hulk ?
 

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Also, no joke. I think Captain Nemo against Bonfire will be on Captain Nemo advantage :))
 

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What about Dase vs Trump aka Incredible Hulk ?

i think Dase would win this ...he is more skilled in my opinion and has more worlds in hands so that goes in his favor

Trump(Hulk) plays with more passion and farms better (regular or bot farm cant tell , dont have any proof) , point is he farms better

so if Dase push it until endgame it might be more harder for him to take down Trump bc Trump should have more advantage by then ( more farm = more nobles = more villages) , but he can take him down easy in early game ( before 10 villages ) bc he has more experience and knows game better and has better startups
 

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Bear in mind.....TRUMP, solo, rank 1 world 100 after first couple of weeks and first couple of caps, no PP market (with limited haul so farming wasn’t really a factor)....but yeah, I do agree, dase is awesome. And I disagree in the long run it’d be harder for him. In the long run he’ll win hands down. I’m lazy as hell at managing my villages. So many players here are way way more organized than myself.
 

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i think Dase would win this ...he is more skilled in my opinion and has more worlds in hands so that goes in his favor

Trump(Hulk) plays with more passion and farms better (regular or bot farm cant tell , dont have any proof) , point is he farms better

so if Dase push it until endgame it might be more harder for him to take down Trump bc Trump should have more advantage by then ( more farm = more nobles = more villages) , but he can take him down easy in early game ( before 10 villages ) bc he has more experience and knows game better and has better startups

I don't think I would have start up or late advantage and neither would trump.Same pp, same amount of time invested, same interest to win I think it would be pretty close.I get lazy after a while.
 

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Oooh good one! Also, i feel like there has to be a grudge match settled between Stones, Stone959, and StoneCold. Who is the real Stone?
 

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Harvester vs Kurn - I think Kurn.Harvester had some nice stats on 33, but they were lategame defensive stats, relatively easy to get ODD when you are allowed to grow that big.Kurn on the other hand is better at start up than him I believe and is used to be under pressure and doesn't quit easily, he will fight you with his last 100 axes and I don't know harvester enough to say he would do the same.


I know im pretty late to reply here but i just wanted to say that Id crush Kurn into dust haha. its true im a late bloomer and i dont blow thousands of PP at the start of a world, but i shot up the ranks in time and every world become a key player and there is few people out there that can adapt to situations like i do (;. 37 has been funky so far but i still would like to see some more PVP discussion. its very entertaining to see the opinions players have of each others play styles and the matches you all pick out.

Ironmn vs stonecold
 

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I only rated you this way because I know Kurn and I don't know you.
I don't think you'd crush him into dust even if you are slightly better than what I know about you.
You might beat him, but crushing him is a bit too much.I've seen him under pressure and he is better than at least half the top 50 in every world on this server.A good amount of players can beat him, but you'd need to be pretty amazing to actually crush him.
 

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No offense but i have yet to see either you or kurn do anything notable on a world ive played (and i dont keep track of worlds i dont play on). so in my opinion you dont know much about me and how i play. i respect your opinion of coarse but from what i see so far on 37 kurn has been killing it with internals but thats about as far as it goes haha. his tribe Daleks seems to me like a bunch of random people thrown together doing their own things so i dont see him getting too far on this world other than getting maybe another handful of free internal villages then fighting it out with PG or Rated E once TBD is pushed further back. But ive been wrong before and he could maybe get picked up by one of the better tribes and not get eaten.
 

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You've played no worlds that I played.You played 33,35 and 37, all which have been pp farming worlds for me.I understand, you may not know me and that's why I didn't assume you would get beaten by Kurn if I knew all about you, I rated based on what I know and I did say that perhaps you are better than what I've seen so far from the outside as I never played with or against you.

But one of your statements made me think you are not that great.You said you're not the type to spend pp early to boost yourself and you grow in lategame.That's ok, thing is you don't really need pp to be decent at start up.If you are as active as you are lategame, you can do fine in start up without pp.In w38, which I consider to be more competitive than this one and I believe you'll agree with me about this, there's quite a few players in the top 25 who didn't spend 10k pp total yet.Pp helps, obviously, the top 5 accs have been spending anywhere from 15 to 30k pp by now most likely.But to get rank 5-25 all you need is 5-10k pp and activity.Every hour per day you can be active in game(and do stuff, not like lazy me) is the equivalent of 200-300 pp used imo.

Daleks is a shit tribe.The tribe was started by maximusss, what do you expect?Daleks will 100% not win this world and probably neither will Kurn as he's chosen the wrong team.
I don't mean to say that Kurn is the best player you'll ever meet, but I think you are either underestimating him or overestimating yourself.If you think you can beat him, I won't deny it as I don't have enough info about both of you, but you said you'd crush him.To me, crushing someone is fighting 1v1 100 villas vs 100 villas and conquering all of his without him getting any recaps from you, without ever conquering more than 5 total villages from you, etc.And in a 1v1 fight, you can't really crush someone if you are both as active and have the same size, even if the skill difference is big(obviously, not as big as in someone who played the game for 2-3 months vs someone with years of experience).
 

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But one of your statements made me think you are not that great.You said you're not the type to spend pp early to boost yourself and you grow in lategame.That's ok, thing is you don't really need pp to be decent at start up.If you are as active as you are lategame, you can do fine in start up without pp.In w38, which I consider to be more competitive than this one and I believe you'll agree with me about this, there's quite a few players in the top 25 who didn't spend 10k pp total yet.Pp helps, obviously, the top 5 accs have been spending anywhere from 15 to 30k pp by now most likely.But to get rank 5-25 all you need is 5-10k pp and activity.Every hour per day you can be active in game(and do stuff, not like lazy me) is the equivalent of 200-300 pp used imo.

the only thing competitive about 38 is seeing which of the top 2 tribes will spend more pp lmao. you say you dont need that much pp for a decent start up but im pretty sure most the worlds youve won was with premade tribes full of people that blow thousands off pp in start up to the point your tribe is far ahead of most others within a matter of weeks... thats not skill thats PP. im not saying your mates arent good im just saying its easy to look good when your whole tribe is PP ballers haha. you can make up any weird fact you want about start ups and pp but the fact is you spend thousands to get a huge lead on others then think that you are great because of it. as far as im concerned you havent had a good world with solid competition. id like to see how youd fair on a world like .net w100 where pp cant buy you a win.
 

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Do you want to know how almost every top account was a top account in world 100 at least in the first month?
100 accounts selling 500 wood for 100 clay to push certain people to the top.
5-10 accounts grown to 4-5k villages for certain people to noble.Villages bought.Accounts bought.People will almost always find a way around the system.

Also, if you don't believe 38 is competitive, you clearly overestimate yourself.We(aka VS ALL), PK, Decept, have won worlds before the pp system was even added.My first world win was when farm assistant didn't exist.My 2nd world win was 2-3 worlds after farm assistant was added.Same goes for most of the people you consider pp whores.Take our biggest member, peacepoacher, won world 13 for example, before premium trading was added, it was the last world before that I think.
Take afraid of the dark who I even coplayed for years and I know what she's capable of.Won as rank 1 world 11, thoughest world .us has ever seen for the winning tribe Ego as 20 tribes declared war on Ego durring bp.And almost all those tribes were top 25 at the time.Take Aenima, leader of PK for example and see what stats PK have with just 10 players on every single world(weird how when the tribe limit became 12 they decided to play with more than 12).Check stats pre world 14, pre pp system era.You will see, that with or without pp, those players are always on top.Hell, check Sweeney, currently the most successful player on .us, most awards in recent worlds.You will see, that pre world 14, he was a top player, won multiple worlds before awards for winning worlds were even added.
And almost all of these players won under different accounts as well.

you are insulting players doing better than you in start up and blaming it on pure premium points.They certainly help, but that doesn't mean those accounts are there purely from pp.


Also, with VS ALL owning k45, I can tell you the market for res went above 200 ratio in like less than a week from the end of bp and today, it rarely drops under 250, usually sits at 300-400.Compared to other worlds, there are significantly less buyers and no major buyer, at least on our side of the world from what I can see.


And you are talking about starting with premade tribes who spend loads of pp?
You're serious about that?You're telling me TBD members haven't spent pp right?Perhaps not as much as PG, but they have.And this pp argument some people use...Have you seen the pp logs of those people?Seriously, have you?No.So for all you know, they spent 2k pp total.or 0.or 200k.
You joined this world in a premade similar to other premades I played with.I played with blowguner and rattlesnake multiple times.Your premade was similar in terms of pp spenders and skill to almost any premade I ever joined.

You feel insulted that I rated Kurn to be better than you and you attack me and others for using premium points?I tried to keep an objective opinion but damn dude, you got the wrong attitude and can't take criticism.You won't improve until you can see your own flaws, but if you prefer to blame pp for your rank that's totally fine for me, one more juicy target on the map to noble for the rest of us.
 

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the only thing competitive about 38 is seeing which of the top 2 tribes will spend more pp lmao.

Also, note that we consider Decept and PK a far worse threat to winning the world than we consider Flavor, our main competitor atm for the rank 1 spot.The fact that you are ignoring them without knowing who they are and what their stats are only shows how stupid you are.
 

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lmao im sorry i dont see all the greatness you see. im not at all insulted you think kurn is better. hes much more widely known and youve never even met me really haha so youd have to pick him over me because im just some guy to you. i was just arguing with one of the reasons why you thought he would beat me which was start ups. all im saying is that on 37 he mightve started stronger but you look now and im like 80k points higher than him meaning now his strong start up doenst mean squat.

as for w100, i know that world was poop there were push accounts and all that BS you stated. people were playing really cheap there haha i was just using the settings as an example.

you can deny that pp is the reason people win worlds nowadays but thats only because you are one of the people im talking about. im not saying you arent a good player, im just saying you probably arent as good as your pp spending would make you seem and that goes for so many others. grated there are people that probably dont spend any and just kill it but you dont fit in that category lol.

i know im not that good of a player, im humble and i know there is still alot i could learn. you dont seem so humble mr. "tribalwars god". i wont deny you the fact that you know alot about the game and about people in the us server. but im sure that without all that pp you spend you are far from a god at this game haha.

and lastly you think i overestimate myself for being able to see that w38 is not that competitive? whats that even supposed to mean lmao? all i said was you and the other top tribe are spending so much pp rn that you double any other tribe in points. sure the other might put up a decent fight but i know how you pp ballers play. there are still people in other tribes farming pp and once they are done youll get the village or youll have a few bashers. its never an even fight, you guys always find a cheap way to get a leg up on the next guy, i totally can see how w38 will play out and i dont think itll be that good... thats my opinion. but i guess that means i think im the bomb according to you mr. tribalgod
 

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Difference between 38 and 37 is by the looks of it, there will be little to no hugging.

Your team mate on 37, Alex aka Rattlesnake.He made a profit of 10k pp in world 30.A world that we won.You think people only win with pp and you are so wrong...I am not denying the fact that premium points help.But winners don't necessarily spend more than losers or you.Or just let's leave it at losers, without the you part, you're included anyway xD.jk.or not.

Most of your team spent a good amount of pp already and if you are being fair, you probably spent a few k pp too.Which is really what your average top player spends.To get rank 1 early, sure, it costs a lot of pp.But having a decent rank costs nothing.It's sometimes annoying to wait too much for a building, or you want some ressies faster, but if you do the math, to actually make a huge difference, you would need to spend 3-4k pp daily.Because at 200 ratio per res, that's 5 pp per 1k and even as early as 38 is, some people farm 200k+ on a daily basis.Some scavenge that much.That's 1k pp+ worth of ressies from farming.and scavenging isn't shown in stats, but trust me, you get a lot from it too.

So, if you're not farming/scaving and not spending pp, you will be behind.If you do one of these things, you will be somewhere in the top, perhaps not top 10 early game, but around 20-30.If you do both, you will likely end up top 10, depending on how much you do both.If you do none, you'll come to the externals and cry about people winning worlds with premium.
 

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in the 3 worlds ive played ive made into the top 5 (w33 i didnt stay long). i hardly farm. i do spend pp but nothing too outrageous. just what i make off of w38 lol. i go hard each world i play seriously and i spend a very minimal amount of pp. which you cant seem to say. you brought up how rattlesnake made 10k profit but i wasnt talking about him lol i was talking about the "God" of TW. you havent said you dont spend alot you just say most people dont which makes me think you spend probably more than most do. and then go and feel like you are the man or the "god" of TW for it lmao.

im pretty much saying that i dont need pp to make top 5 but you seem to rely on it a whole lot more than most haha. so much that you rush to defend the concept of using pp to win the second i brought it up... "Tribalwars gods"? more PP gods if you ask me xD jk. or not. LMAO
 

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In the last 5 years, I only bought pp a couple of times.All I spend is what I make in worlds I farm pp.
To give you the exact number of pp I've spent so far, I'm at around 6k pp spent in this world and I haven't been active and when I was, I was too lazy to farm.I don't consider 6k pp spent at this stage to be too much.Especially since I won't really be spending over 1k per month from now on and that is mostly on premium acc, acc manager and 20% ressies.

You can't seem to be able to think objectively.I don't rely on anything.For some reason, I think you might actually be spending more pp than I do.
With or without premium points, you talk like you're good, and maybe you are.Maybe.But you are clearly not as good as you think you are.


I am not defending the concept of using pp to win.We were talking about you vs Kurn and you used the premium points excuse.That only shows that you consider yourself unable to win worlds without premium points, something that has been done multiple times by players you consider pp whores.
So by telling you that premium points don't win worlds, I was not defending the concept of using pp to win, I was merely stating that you are not good enough to win without pp so you think others must win because they have more pp than you, instead of trying to figure out a way to improve.

I am against pp abuse.I don't remember where you were when we were trying to get a classic world on .us.A world that you and all the others claiming they can't win due to pp, wouldn't join.As hyped as world 100 was, like most classics, it was almost empty in start up.One of the smallest worlds ever.Funny how that works.People cry about pp, but they don't join classic worlds.Or speed server.

Btw, I won the last classic world I played on .net.Even though I was banned at 7 villages and had 3 villages removed from my account as punishment for trashing someone's account as sitter for betraying my tribe, which wasn't great for my growth.I wonder where were you during that classic.Perhaps playing p2w worlds and crying about it?Yep.


You cried about me joining premades, when you are part of a premade.
You cried about people using premium points, when you use about the same amount.I am not sure how much you do, but take world 26 for example.I remember I spent 10k pp all world.All world, up to like 100 villages.You probably spend the same amount if not more so really dude, your comments about me or others paying to win...Just shows that you are very stupid and you have a lot to learn about this game.If that's what makes you feel better when you get nobled, sure, your opponents spend 1000$ a month to be ahead of you and they join strong premades(unlike you, you pretty much indirectly called shit the premade you were part of).

We are taking this discussion a bit too far for no reason.I'll leave it at this.Good luck with your game.I'd continue to talk to you, but I am busy in the next hour.I need to buy 7k premium points packs non stop, it takes a while when you spend as much as I do.Talk to you later.
 

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thanks again for a ridiculously long paragraph just to try to make a few points haha. you say i think im good but i dont... I JUST DONT THINK YOU ARE THAT GOOD. lol and all i said again with the kurn thing is sometimes start ups dont mean shit. i simply was saying that there are people blowing pp on start ups and im not one of them. and given that im not one i still manage to rank decently. all i said is i think id beat kurn and now you wanna go and call me stupid? sorry the last 10 years of my life havent been just work and TW like you hahaha but i dont think you are smart either just because you know alot about some game lmao. i know you really wanted the last word here but i couldnt let that last book you just wrote be the last thing posted haha.

but anyways back to the topic at hand...

Ironmn vs Stonecold
 
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