The botting situation

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Over 3.3M resources have been artificially generated by only the top 50 scavenging bots. In one day.
These accounts have all existed for multiple worlds already. And these are only the top 50 bots, there are many more. They are so efficient that they outperform all but one 'real' player. They can no longer be ignored.

How does the community feel about the current situation?
 

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I reported 100 accounts too lmao, didn't see there was a forum post already.I was actually going to the forum to make one xD.

@kawoni , please look into it. If these guys don't get banned before they ruin the pp market anymore than they already have, we might as well all just get bots and don't even hide our IP, cuz it looks like your security system does nothing...

There are more. The ones who gather are most, but there are other groups of bots like the one in this image:
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All these accounts have exactly 35 resources gathered in a day record. How they weren't banned so far is beyond my level of comprehension. Well, not really, no one cares I guess.

Question for the owner of these accounts: what do you want to do with 1.000.000 non transferable PP?
For Kawoni: Please cancel any premium point they gained. Just lock the accounts, not just a simple ban on this world. BP is not over and market in k54 is full.
 
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I reported 100 accounts too lmao, didn't see there was a forum post already.I was actually going to the forum to make one xD.

@kawoni , please look into it. If these guys don't get banned before they ruin the pp market anymore than they already have, we might as well all just get bots and don't even hide our IP, cuz it looks like your security system does nothing...

There are more. The ones who gather are most, but there are other groups of bots like the one in this image:
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All these accounts have exactly 35 resources gathered in a day record. How they weren't banned so far is beyond my level of comprehension. Well, not really, no one cares I guess.

Question for the owner of these accounts: what do you want to do with 1.000.000 non transferable PP?
For Kawoni: Please cancel any premium point they gained. Just lock the accounts, not just a simple ban on this world. BP is not over and market in k54 is full.
They can transfer the non-transferable premium points to their active account when the market is full in the later stages of the game. They can get non-transferable points by buying mines from their multi accounts and selling them from the account they are active in.
 

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They can transfer the non-transferable premium points to their active account when the market is full in the later stages of the game. They can get non-transferable points by buying mines from their multi accounts and selling them from the account they are active in.
True, but this should be easy to catch by the mods, especially if done in such high amounts. These accounts should be tracked. Some of them did the same thing in previous worlds, so I can only assume the real owner of these accounts already did this trick. All mods would have to do is check the logs, see who gained their PP and all account involved, including the main, should be permanently locked.

They don't seem to be banned, you can still support the accounts. If they didn't get banned after reports, they probably won't be and it's getting late for that anyway, the market has been ruined.
 
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True, but this should be easy to catch by the mods, especially if done in such high amounts. These accounts should be tracked. Some of them did the same thing in previous worlds, so I can only assume the real owner of these accounts already did this trick. All mods would have to do is check the logs, see who gained their PP and all account involved, including the main, should be permanently locked.

They don't seem to be banned, you can still support the accounts. If they didn't get banned after reports, they probably won't be and it's getting late for that anyway, the market has been ruined.
Accounts should be banned for sure.
 

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Thank you for all the information, We can not tell you about anytime of investigation and or banning of an account. If you have any further information. please post here or open a support ticket just keep in mind that we are looking into it and that you may not hear much from us about what is going on. We really appreciate that you have let us know.
 

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I couldn't find a single account that looks like a bot and was banned. I'll look for a bot to get my pp for the next worlds. Thank you for confirmation that you are not going to do anything about it.
 

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Sorry you feel that way, Dase. We can not discuss with you any bans or punishments or any type of investigations that are going on or have went on. We will not divulge who or when we have done any banning or what their punishments are.
 

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I know and I understand why you don't discuss that publicly, but if they were banned we couldn't launch attacks or support to them. We can, so they were not banned, therefore nothing was done and it would be too late anyway, the market is ruined.

That's ok, at least that turkish guy is making some money. Money INNO doesn't seem to be interested in.
 

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Dase is not wrong in what he is saying. We the players are in the midst of this and know who are the who and what's. If Inno's intention is to turn off their customers, they have done a very very good job of it. This server used to have 5K plus players joining new worlds, plus others playing on other worlds.. W63 a what 2-3 week old world has less than 1200 of which bots make a percentage of them. When people, especially in a game, find they would rather play elsewhere they vote with their feet. That has already happened.
it does this body no good to hear we are working on it and it takes months if not years to resolve the issues. Months ago all of us received a mail stating that illegal PP making was happening and to stop it. Well it's still going on, that tells me somehow or another it's not illegal as someone got around a loop hole legally. IF that is so, Inno has lost control of the game and Inno is slow to act on it.
All these committee meetings with the Dev's does nothing to alleviate the stress and toll it takes on players just wishing to play a game. This banning issue seems capricious, uneven and a continuing morale problem on this server. Whether that look is true or not the look is there and a detriment. This game that we love, takes a good year+ to master. It is a strategy game not a smash up game. Any new player wishing to play is faced with the myriad of rules one has to learn plus the game itself and the ongoing behind the scene drama. No one needs that.
In closing, those posting on this forum are the voices of those that do not. Let's face it, it takes love of something to voice problems and work towards solutions. It's really up to Inno at this point, the cards have been laid out
 

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I heard that dude has a hard time selling his PP. Perhaps we should all buy from him, instead of INNO.
 

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Thank you Blue, You have made some very valid points and we will pass those onto INNO as well. We can not discuss any part of this investigation with you all, We can tell you that we are working on it. What we can say is that we hear you and understand you. We are working on a solution. But, continuing to bash us and tell us the same things, Really do not help, It does not help the morale of the server nor does it help the morale of the players. And it really sucks that we can not discuss this with you as most of you believe that we are doing nothing at all. However, we are and we need to also find a permanent solution so that the issue can not return. As most of you also know the issue is spread over a ton of accounts most of them bot accounts. So we need to clear them all.
So lets also look at it from another point of view. How about we put the "blame" where it really belongs. Like on those that are selling and buying? If the players would also let the buyers and sellers know its not cool and not purchase from illegal sellers. This would not be a problem then as they would have noone to sell to. But, it his human nature to get the deal. so they make that illegal purchase. It does not make it right nor do we look the other way. If you the players would also stand up to those illegal sellers and buyers as you have said that you are in the mix and on the frontline. Then stand up to those that are doing the illegal things. Let them know like you let us know. And yes please continue to let us know. But, think about where the "blame" actually sits.
We know we must do better and find the better solutions for all of us. And we are working on it.
Please also note that if you were looking you would find somethings already in place for a solution.
I will leave this thread open as long as there is constructive criticism but if it turns into a bash fest I will shut it down. We will also not discuss any players, bans, punishments, etc.
 

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I feel your exasperation Kawoni, it's to be expected. These type of criticisms can be painful to read over and over again when ya can't say what you want, but now you also for sure know our frustration as well and I for one glad you voiced your frustration with it all it makes everyone aware whose side you are on. Being a moderator is no easy task.

I also agree 100% that it's up to us the players to inform you and cast out these players that are ruining our game. It's not fair to the ones legitimately farming or paying for PP for players to be in your face selling stolen goods. I for one do not play that NOR would i have any of my players do as such neither. This is a game , played for enjoyment and i believe sportsmanship is above all most important. So having said that. Here is what I recommend as we have to root out these guys,

1.Let the dukes and duchess be truly responsible for their players. If any of their players get banned for violations of the rules and allowing that to happen in their tribe. They are responsible as well and would count against them. I as a Duke for many years know each of my players and I feel responsible for any such thing happen on my watch. Trust you me it would not go well for them. We used to say, kick and eat. That kept some of the guys in line. Unfortunately now we cant do that but kicking is always easy. Shunning is still an acceptable form of punishing. Especially if such an action paints the whole tribe of legit players as cheaters which it does. When a landlord lets people sell drugs from their building. He is just as responsible as the guys selling drugs out of their building. this is the same thing.

2. Discord: See if Inno can change their rules about using discord as a useful medium for info collecting. Those guys that run the TW channel do a good job of keeping a watch, BUT sometimes things get said about meeting in some other channel to firm up the deals. As you can see it would be beneficial to Inno to be more involved in those channels, in a non descript way. Do the cops not infiltrate the drug rings in the same way?

3. I would urge more moderators to actually play the game. I know its verbotten to some extent. BUT you guys would actually feel the game's nuances, problems and again keep an eye on the game.

thank you for your imput and assurances, i truly feel your exasperation as well. Just put a bigger fire under the TOWER..lol..
 

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Sometimes if we don't bash, nothing seems to get done. It usually takes a while for INNO to stop this kind of situation. It's not the first time the US server had issues because of bots. This game works in real time and start up can be heavily impacted by bots. In a game where people put so many hours and sometimes money, it's frustrating to see the mods not getting much done. And when it's on this scale, the impact is huge. I've rarely seen someone put so much effort into bots, even when you could simply transfer farmed pp and selling was easier not many took it this far.

Delete their PP. If they're just banned, it won't change anything. They already made the pp they needed. They'll assume it's going to take you this long to catch them on the next ones as well.
 

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Blue as you know, We will not ever turn over full control of its players to the Dukes and Duchess. That would be a complete mad house to even moderate. And how many bad leaders that would produce because tribes would be created just for the use of being jerks. LOL Oh man, that would not be a good thing. and seriously would not happen.
We would love to see a discord partnership and it may or many not happen in the future.
We truly are working for our players. We will have to start the bonfire. LOL
 

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Understandable Dase, Point well taken. We understand how the game works. You are correct it can be heavily influenced by bots. and we need to find a solution to stop those bots everytime one pops up, Because as you also know that we get rid of one then another pops up 2 months later. We ask our players for feedback to help us with the solutions. And I know I have said this before, not everyone is going to be happy as we can not please everyone.
 

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That is a great solution and one that I personally would love, maybe I would come out of retirement to play LOL. Sadly, that won't happen for many reasons. A game needs some type of progression to be competitive on an industry that grows leaps and bounds daily. TW is an old game that still have merit in that game world and industry. And that is also to say that the progression we have made in games with better features more tools etc. has kept us valid for the most part.
Our veteran players that love the game and want to see it stay around to see what next comes around the corner is also what keeps us valid. And so many more things that we have had to evolve to continue to be TW.
We have road bumps and speed bumps and brick walls sometimes that we need to fill, fix and break through. And that is where we are. Working on some solutions. Taking the players feedback and sending it to the proper people.
 
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