We were winning but we had our reasons to recruit those 4 bg players. As you can see,we are rank1 in OD.And we had no diplomacy at all until 2-3 weeks ago. Most of our members joined late and this is why our OD isn't this big,but even so,we are rank 1 in OD. Trust me asasin,once we get up there in k34 we won't hug with you. And isn't clown hugging? They are allied with drink and drunk.Also,from what I hurd they may be allied to BASH and who knows who else?After all,arieanon is leading ... So don't come here and tell me we hugged. Our OD proves you are wrong. And just to make it clear for you,we recruited those bg players because they were too far for an war and we could use people in their area to expand towards the rim.Recruiting isn't hugging. Making tons of allies is. You've been a member of noobs on many worlds,you know what I'm talking about.