Butter vs Campin - War

[DeletedUser4764]

Interesting war ...

 

[DeletedUser1048]

So after all that there was still no PA or NAP in place just a border agreement that Bav was yet to agree to. Looks like Bav didnt want to agree to it and it wasnt finalized. So abrie was right nothing was put in stone and the talks broke down just like abrie explained. Ok lets move on and continue the war talk. This is after all....

Butter, Decept, (soon to be CM too yes I know you have been in talks with them to join so dont deny it!) VS Campin

I saw no gradual trend of our talks degrading to a point where they could not be agreed upon. As "talks breaking down" generally go, I can't see any example of such in the content of our discussions I have posted above. It was an abrupt 180 in their previous statements of good will and trust. When you tell someone to trust you, then you do the exact opposite of what they were trusting you not to do, that is generally seen as backstabbing regardless of any arbitrary form of finalization.

 

[DeletedUser]

I saw no gradual trend of our talks degrading to a point where they could not be agreed upon. As "talks breaking down" generally go, I can't see any example of such in the content of our discussions I have posted above. It was an abrupt 180 in their previous statements of good will and trust. When you tell someone to trust you, then you do the exact opposite of what they were trusting you not to do, that is generally seen as backstabbing regardless of any arbitrary form of finalization.

That maybe so but if the player didnt agree to it then thats where it breaks down. It was discussed like abrie agreed to along with Effectuating Affliction but nothing was set in stone it was just discussed.

I could say the same about moloco agreeing to noble north and TT would leave them alone, then they backstabbed us and started attacking. This world is full of backstabbing and foul play. Its just the way w11 is I am afraid and the reason that it has been destroyed. The way I see it is that there is no loyalty or honor just the urge to win with any costs.

The recent wars have proved that. No1 can deny that this world has been a circus act from the start. It had great settings but has really been ruined by a select few players that have been pulling the strings to ruin it.

 

[DeletedUser]

Just a friendly heads up for the campin boys. Look at all dan's post and consider it your future, washed up has-beens that would throw their own mother under the bus for a reason to blame someone else on their shortcomings. Unfortunately this is the nature of losers, they terrorize other tribes threads just to have an excuse, anything is better than actually facing the harsh truth that you've been bested.

The trolling has been fun and all Dan, but why don't you retire to w12 where you and your long forgotten tribe(s) belong?

 

[DeletedUser]

I have no idea what joffess the joker has put but as usual I dont think it will be relevant to the war or will be posting any stats nor will anyone ever bother as no1 has bothered about him when he has posted on the externals. I dont think anyone bothered replying to him apart from me. But he is being internalled as we speak so that just proves he couldnt handle such a big account. Either that or he is being cut so he can morale bash. Either way no1 has ever cared about the joffess account since it appeared on the .us servers.

Have we got anymore war stats to post on before joffess turns it into another wasted thread?

 

[DeletedUser]

I have no idea what joffess the joker has put but as usual I dont think it will be relevant to the war or will be posting any stats nor will anyone ever bother as no1 has bothered about him when he has posted on the externals. I dont think anyone bothered replying to him apart from me. But he is being internalled as we speak so that just proves he couldnt handle such a big account. Either that or he is being cut so he can morale bash. Either way no1 has ever cared about the joffess account since it appeared on the .us servers.

Have we got anymore war stats to post on before joffess turns it into another wasted thread?

Is there a mod to moderate this sort of thing? It is entirely off topic - i don't see butter or campin mentioned once - and is a blatant attack on Joffess.

Back on topic, looks to me like Campin is losing this war, currently 16 villages to 5. 3.3mill oda for butter, 4mill odd to Campin. Taking in mind the fact that D troops take 2 1/2 x longer to build, this war won't take too much longer. Hopefully they can at least outlast the children who were TT and ELE.

 

[DeletedUser]

Is there a mod to moderate this sort of thing? It is entirely off topic - i don't see butter or campin mentioned once - and is a blatant attack on Joffess.

Back on topic, looks to me like Campin is losing this war, currently 16 villages to 5. 3.3mill oda for butter, 4mill odd to Campin. Taking in mind the fact that D troops take 2 1/2 x longer to build, this war won't take too much longer. Hopefully they can at least outlast the children who were TT and ELE.

I am sure if you read what joffess has put, his post isnt relevant to the thread either and would be no stats or talk on the butter and campin war and will probably be an attack on myself. If you want to defend him thats fine. If he doesnt like to be flamed then he shouldnt follow me around the externals trying to flame me when I dont care as I NEVER read his posts as I have him set to ignore and he knows this.

Right onto topic before another butter member takes it off topic...

This is campin, decept, possibly CM and anyone else willing to hug butter vs campin. Yes there has been losses on campins side thats for sure but the war is far from over that I do know. When you say won't take too much longer how long are you speaking of? The war is in early stages still. A lot more are leaving w11 for w13 so I doubt the world will be very active soon when that gets going. It would have been good to see a fair fight finally in w11 but there still hasnt been one.

Whoever does end up winning this circus of a world wont be known for winning it with honor as it hasnt been a competitive world thats for sure and its full of hugs, backstabbing and just general boredom

 

[DeletedUser]

How about we keep things on the topic of this war so that I do not have to ban the few posters we have here, mkay? On that note, anyone and everyone, regardless of if they play this particular world or not, is welcome to post on ANY of the forums provided they follow all the forum rules. Feel free to flame away on a persons game play, but personal flames are not allowed. Stay on topic. All this makes a happy Community Manager.

Now back to your regularly scheduled forum thread, already in progress.

 

[DeletedUser]

We never back stabbed Elixir account holders. Neither was our chat a hoax for him to keep him puzzled.

If ntoombs feels that way i cannot change it. I still have respect and admiration for him. I wish Butter all the best in this war.

I have been rimmed fair and square and gratz to Campin under the leadership of TW ERROR BITE ME for the well timed backstab they managed to pull off, but he cannot change the fact that Campin is full of noob members except him and 1-2 other players.

As i see, Butter and Decept will clear off Campin. But, TW ERROR will manage to save himself with 1 or 2 members and end up joining Butter .

 

[DeletedUser1048]

We never back stabbed Elixir account holders. Neither was our chat a hoax for him to keep him puzzled.

If ntoombs feels that way i cannot change it. I still have respect and admiration for him. I wish Butter all the best in this war.

I have been rimmed fair and square and gratz to Campin under the leadership of TW ERROR BITE ME for the well timed backstab they managed to pull off, but he cannot change the fact that Campin is full of noob members except him and 1-2 other players.

As i see, Butter and Decept will clear off Campin. But, TW ERROR will manage to save himself with 1 or 2 members and end up joining Butter .

I believe yours and abries story of what happened. However, I don't agree that what was done can't be considered a backstab. Like I said, abrie said we needed to trust each other. I trusted him and he didn't so he betrayed my trust for a reason I believe to be insufficient. Apparently MoH saw that reason as insufficient too, and a reason to distrust you. If I had to choose which example of distrust was more justified, I would choose MoH. So far, most players have agreed with me.

As for TW Error, I can't see him having much of a future on this world despite any possible outcome of this war.

 

[DeletedUser]

We never back stabbed Elixir account holders. Neither was our chat a hoax for him to keep him puzzled.

If ntoombs feels that way i cannot change it. I still have respect and admiration for him. I wish Butter all the best in this war.

I have been rimmed fair and square and gratz to Campin under the leadership of TW ERROR BITE ME for the well timed backstab they managed to pull off, but he cannot change the fact that Campin is full of noob members except him and 1-2 other players.

As i see, Butter and Decept will clear off Campin. But, TW ERROR will manage to save himself with 1 or 2 members and end up joining Butter .

No one joins Campin unless I say. Carsi will be rimmed. There is no place for him here in Butter. We have played this world fairly and with honour since day one. The last thing we would do is recruit the most dishonourable and selfish account on the world into our tribe.

Regarding the war with Campin, the stats we post are Butter's alone. Currently 20 villages to 5 and counting. 3.5mill oda to 4.7mill odd. Decept has been doing a good job regarding their size, and Cam has been holding out so well that I am proud of them.

I think we all know that Campin has 2 decent players (not going to say good). I wonder how Carsi intends to win this war if the only way he can fight back is if he sits the entire tribe? Sitter rules means he can't attack the same targets lol.

 

[DeletedUser]

Let's get one thing clear; Campin attacked Cam two or three days before our op was set to begin. That's not our fault, were we supposed to just abandon our plans because they started a war?

Tw error built a tribe on the foundation of refugees (ELE and academies) and backstabbers (former MOH members), he stacked members both Butter and DECEPT were attacking and he alienated DECEPT by backstabbing their neighbors thus making them aware of his nature.

How is it then our fault that they are getting gangbanged? Three tribes furious with the behaviour of TW and we should take turns warring him and his tribe of cowards? Stop being naive. Camping, and especially TW error brought this upon themselves, hiding behind arguments of hugging only shows that they can dish it out but can't take it.

Interestingly enough history seems to be repeating itself. A tribe gets attacked by butter and seemingly falls apart without any real opposing force, well that's what you get when you recruit the failures that are ELEss/TT/A O U.

 

[DeletedUser]

I believe yours and abries story of what happened. However, I don't agree that what was done can't be considered a backstab. Like I said, abrie said we needed to trust each other. I trusted him and he didn't so he betrayed my trust for a reason I believe to be insufficient. Apparently MoH saw that reason as insufficient too, and a reason to distrust you. If I had to choose which example of distrust was more justified, I would choose MoH. So far, most players have agreed with me.

As for TW Error, I can't see him having much of a future on this world despite any possible outcome of this war.

ntoombs after speaking with you on skype about the issues of the war I find you to be a fair and honest player who plays very much in the same style of myself and holds honor high. I have always said I respect the elixir account ever since the world started and for that they deserve a place in the hall of fame for this world. You have restored some faith in the butter tribes name and you now know my reasons for not liking the way butter has worked through it. Everyone has their codes and way they go about it but you understand the way I play now and I have always been taught the old school ways luckily

As normal in wars there is the enemies side of the story, your tribes and the truth. That is always the case. There is some good players in butter and also campin. It is still going to be a good war despite the odds being against campin. I still dont think it will be an easy war like many are thinking because each tribe has yet to make proper ground outside their 'safe areas'.

I think it will be a week at least before we really tell who has made the most headway

 

[DeletedUser]

ntoombs after speaking with you on skype about the issues of the war I find you to be a fair and honest player who plays very much in the same style of myself and holds honor high.

Please do not insult my baron. He is nothing like you.

5 days into the war, the stats are 22 villages butter, 5 villages Campin. So far ELE put up a better fight than Campin.

 

[DeletedUser]

Please do not insult my baron. He is nothing like you.

5 days into the war, the stats are 22 villages butter, 5 villages Campin. So far ELE put up a better fight than Campin.

If you had been in the skype chat you would have known what we spoke about. Unfortunately you were not important enough to be there so you will just have to guess what was said. He follows the same codes as I do and we understood each others views on the game and why I dislike the certain members of the butter tribe that puts butters name as mud around w11.

Yes certain members of campin have done their foul play and backstabbing but I can assure you certain members of butter have done the same. Elixir (matt and ntoombs) are not one of those players. They have played it fairly even though I do not agree with the mass diplomacy that is in place but it is all part of how TW is played now.

I can say that I havent backstabbed anyone in any world, nor will I ever do so. I would rather be nobled out than win by foul means.

DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR

 

[DeletedUser1048]

Guys, whatever disagreements we may have, can we please keep them out of this thread? Do what I did and skype him if you want to or send him a private message but please keep it out of this thread. Now... here are some stats. Please talk about those instead.

Spoiler: Butter vs Campin

Side 1:
Tribes: Butter
Side 2:
Tribes: Campin

Timeframe: 26/10/2013 00:00:00 to 31/10/2013 10:13:53

Total conquers:

Side 1: 89
Side 2: 69
Difference: 20

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22
Side 2: 5
Difference: 17

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 569,412
Side 2: 320,337
Difference: 249,075

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 175,694
Side 2: 38,390
Difference: 137,304

Spoiler: Decept vs Campin

Side 1:
Tribes: Decept
Side 2:
Tribes: Campin

Timeframe: 26/10/2013 00:00:00 to 31/10/2013 10:13:53

Total conquers:

Side 1: 37
Side 2: 69
Difference: 32

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 10
Side 2: 0
Difference: 10

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 163,606
Side 2: 320,337
Difference: 156,731

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 82,890
Side 2: 0
Difference: 82,890

Spoiler: CAM vs Campin

Side 1:
Tribes: Cam, CAM2
Side 2:
Tribes: Campin

Timeframe: 26/10/2013 00:00:00 to 31/10/2013 10:13:53

Total conquers:

Side 1: 16
Side 2: 69
Difference: 53

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 3
Side 2: 11
Difference: 8

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 68,997
Side 2: 320,337
Difference: 251,340

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22,636
Side 2: 69,969
Difference: 47,333

These stats are a bit disappointing I think for both sides. However, I was surprised to see the 20 village difference in conquers between butter and campin. I know TW Error has been barb munching for awhile now. It looks like this war will go one for quite some time and I don't see a clear victor nor can I see one side destroying the other with ease. It looks like only a few players have gotten involved so far with MOLOCO doing most of the damage to the death bot account. It's a good achievement but I doubt it has made much of a difference to campin. As we have seen through screenshots in the skype chat, deathbot isn't exactly an offensive powerhouse lol. If i had to guess how long till we would have a clear winner, I would say one month or two months if things continue at this pace.

 

[DeletedUser]

Thank you for these stats ntoombs. I am quite a noob when it comes to how these are done (stat wise in the externals) and they always do show everything that is needed.

I agree with what you have said there ntoombs. By the looks of it there is internals on both sides taking place which does hinder things. k55 is where the main players are in the case of campin and it will be harder to break into there than it was in k54. Same with butter/decept in k54 thats where the main fight is. With a 2 way direction war going on here campin will have to really bring an A game to hold it being attacked from the north and the west.

I have to say that CAM are doing well to fight back the size they are. Xray I know is holding up well and he is a respectable player. My hat goes off to them

 

[DeletedUser4764]

Great stats..and i say again interesting war..

 

[Dase]

Lol Dan,you are so obsessed with butter you even name us in your profile.And as a matter of fact,we have someone in our tribe with that award .

Looking at the stats,I'd say Campin should have waited a bit longer before declaring.

 

[DeletedUser3214]

Spoiler: Butter vs Campin week stats

Side 1:
Tribes: Butter
Side 2:
Tribes: Campin

Timeframe: Last week

Total conquers:

Side 1: 103
Side 2: 107
Difference: 4

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 22
Side 2: 5
Difference: 17

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 614,060
Side 2: 500,346
Difference: 113,714

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 175,694
Side 2: 38,390
Difference: 137,304

What nt posted is very curious. Obviously one sided war stats, yet total conquers are equal (only 3 village difference). So I thought to myself, they must be nobling other tribes while fighting a war which results in less butter conquers but equal village conquers. Then I saw that campin has 100k less point value gained of the villages. A quick look at twstats shows some intriguing actions...

Spoiler: 7 day History

Barbarian village (531|514) K55 1,521 Barbarian sirgene [Campin] 2013-10-31 14:56:23
Bonus village (533|612) K65 1,513 Barbarian Magic Mushrooms [Campin] 2013-10-30 01:08:41
Q.17 (579|544) K55 6,007 Barbarian raikenz [Campin] 2013-10-29 21:24:17
positive (559|531) K55 6,528 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-29 19:30:03
positive (583|553) K55 1,340 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-29 17:41:17
Out to Lunch (541|600) K65 1,155 Barbarian Magic Mushrooms [Campin] 2013-10-29 12:39:45
positive (570|531) K55 5,039 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-29 12:31:05 10-29 09:39:56
Take The Blame (537|601) K65 1,513 Barbarian Magic Mushrooms [Campin] 2013-10-29 03:32:08
positive (575|545) K55 8,135 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-29 01:02:41
Slow Dance (535|566) K55 1,097 Barbarian Magic Mushrooms [Campin] 2013-10-29 00:28:27
1.O (587|543) K55 4,926 Barbarian raikenz [Campin] 2013-10-28 19:54:04
XXX2 (503|516) K55 1,595 Barbarian Frelak [Campin] 2013-10-28 17:32:06
XXX3 (502|512) K55 1,533 Barbarian Frelak [Campin] 2013-10-28 17:10:37
positive (576|550) K55 5,155 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-28 15:48:41
positive (542|524) K55 1,279 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-28 08:32:15
positive (554|572) K55 1,537 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-28 05:59:35
positive (570|537) K55 7,899 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-28 05:26:35
Barbarian village (531|515) K55 1,508 Barbarian sirgene [Campin] 2013-10-27 20:18:56
positive (580|559) K55 1,506 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 20:00:23
positive (568|549) K55 7,201 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 17:48:11
positive (566|525) K55 1,541 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 17:18:08
positive (536|523) K55 1,525 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 15:38:02
H.8 (588|540) K55 5,438 Barbarian raikenz [Campin] 2013-10-27 14:18:51
positive (536|558) K55 1,379 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 12:19:58
positive (542|530) K55 1,510 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 11:08:32
positive (582|553) K55 1,531 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 08:52:46
positive (535|521) K55 1,596 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 08:02:37
LK028 (520|514) K55 3,556 PetHar Lethal Keith [Campin] 2013-10-27 07:43:19
positive (536|518) K55 1,500 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 06:42:29
positive (567|524) K55 1,508 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-27 06:23:38
Boom! 029 (571|498) K45 1,544 Barbarian bavarianinnman2 [Campin] 2013-10-27 02:46:02
LK029 (506|583) K55 1,385 Barbarian Lethal Keith [Campin] 2013-10-26 23:54:40
Boom! 028 (560|487) K45 1,558 Barbarian bavarianinnman2 [Campin] 2013-10-26 23:46:48
positive (543|525) K55 1,347 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-26 19:57:34
positive (534|559) K55 1,434 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-26 07:48:12
positive (571|522) K55 1,118 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-26 07:38:14
Boom! 027 (561|486) K45 1,514 Barbarian bavarianinnman2 [Campin] 2013-10-26 00:15:44
LK027 (519|598) K55 5,985 Barbarian Lethal Keith [Campin] 2013-10-25 21:23:18
positive (568|526) K55 1,206 Barbarian TW ERROR BITE ME [Campin] 2013-10-25 14:58:04
BoB the Builder (510|594) K55 1,162 Barbarian UberStomper [Campin] 2013-10-25 01:33:18
BoB the Builder (530|552) K55 1,526 Barbarian UberStomper [Campin] 2013-10-25 00:31:11
BoB the Builder (511|572) K55 1,211 Barbarian UberStomper [Campin] 2013-10-25 00:30:08

43 barbs nobled in the last 7 days. Food for though